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[extremely fake George Michael Bluth voice, imagining talking to Leon Rose after rumblings start that Devin Booker may want out of Phoenix due to the Robert Sarver fiasco]

What a fun, sexy time for you.

You think it’s probable to have repercussions? I think they’re on a championship hunt and will turn a blind eye on this.

Someone said on the previous thread that we have an open 2-way spot, but we don’t. Keels and Hunt are our 2-way guys. I think it’s because of this that they aren’t in a rush to fill the 2 remaining open spots on the 15-man roster, we have 15 players that can play. Keels and Hunt are on 2-way contracts because this way we can sign any player to the remaining open spots and also because it’s cheaper. If this was before the 2-way contracts they’d be on the roster on non-guaranteed contracts.

I was trying to come up with reasonable O/U minutes numbers, any thoughts? Randle 2400 RJ 2400 Brunson 2300 Mitch 1900 Fournier 1900 Grimes 1800 IQ 1800 Obi 1700 Rose 1400 Hartenstein 1400 Reddish 700 Deuce: 500 Sims: 500

The house is going to lose on Randle, everybody is going to take the over. 😛

You think it’s probable to have repercussions? I think they’re on a championship hunt and will turn a blind eye on this.

I only know what the newsbot tells me, Cyber. My guess is that it would more be a thing for next offseason, especially if the other Suns owners don’t manage to force Sarver off the team. Whether the Suns win or lose this year, I can imagine Booker deciding he no longer wants to work for a team owned and run by this particular individual.

My guess is that it would more be a thing for next offseason, especially if the other Suns owners don’t manage to force Sarver off the team.

Yeah, this makes more sense. And it’s perfect for the news outlets, they can bring up stories for clicks on how Booker will be a Knick next season, all year long.

“cybersoze says: September 16, 2022 at 09:09 The house is going to lose on Randle, everybody is going to take the over. 😛”

I set ther number a bit lower just due to the trade rumors and the possibility that the MSG crowd turns on Julius and he flips out. Do you think that’s reasonable?

Scotto: With the Knicks haggling over Quentin Grimes, it reminded me a little bit of when Cleveland didn’t want to trade JJ Hickson (for Amar’e Stoudemire) and Timofey Mozgov when he was with the Knicks (for Carmelo Anthony).

Felt a little depressed reading this, i really hope Grimes proves he’s way better than those guys. We need him to.

I set ther number a bit lower just due to the trade rumors and the possibility that the MSG crowd turns on Julius and he flips out. Do you think that’s reasonable?

Probably. I’m just skeptical that they’ll trade him during the season, and that Thibs will change his ways and bench him when he deserves to be benched. I’d take the over, without a doubt.

Kyrie Irving, clown of clowns

I think 2300 is just a bit low for Brunson assuming good health. As one of the precious few unambiguously good, durable players on the team I think he’s a lock for 32+ minutes a night. We know we have a coach who, um, won’t be shy about giving him all the minutes he can handle.

I think 2400 is also an underestimate for Randle as long as he’s here, because I’ll believe Thibs is willing to reduce his minutes in response to poor play when I see it.

So I’d probably take the over on those two and sadly give IQ and Obi a reduction accordingly.

Everything else seems about right.

“Probably. I’m just skeptical that they’ll trade him during the season, and that Thibs will change his ways and bench him when he deserves to be benched. I’d take the over, without a doubt.”

What about if it were set at 2500?

Chris Paul, who wields a great deal of power, had a fairly stock intolerant take, likely signalling that he’s willing to kick the Sarver can down the road until the 1 year expires.

I thought the New World Order was just some old school WWE thing…

“TNFH says: September 16, 2022 at 09:53 I think 2300 is just a bit low for Brunson assuming good health. As one of the precious few unambiguously good, durable players on the team I think he’s a lock for 32+ minutes a night. We know we have a coach who, um, won’t be shy about giving him all the minutes he can handle.”

I thought about that, and countered with Derrick Rose being a Thibs fave and Brunson having some issues on defense against certain players weighing enough for a modest reduction. I tried to keep it at round 100’s, so it was either 2300 or 2400. 78 X 30=2340, so I rounded down, but probably could have rounded up. 2400 minutes is a ton (RJ had 2417 last year and seemed to never come out) but it’s reasonable. I would take the over on 2300 and the under on 2400.

Randle had 2544 last year and sat some games he might have played at the end of the season, so 2500 seems like a proper modification. Still, I am very concerned (?) about how the MSG crowd is going to mess with his head if he starts doing dumb things (not missing shots per se, just playing the wrong way.) I’d probably go with the under at that number.

Daquan Jeffries’ G-League stats are impressive…he shot 34% from 3 on 263 attempts and .592 from 2 on 273 attempts. His TS% was over .600 for all games combined.

There’s a player in there somewhere, might take a couple of years but the dude can shoot a bit and is crazy strong and athletic.

Mozgov was good we shouldn’t have traded him!

“Felt a little depressed reading this, i really hope Grimes proves he’s way better than those guys. We need him to.”

I had the same reaction to this. It’s silly that they didn’t get Spida, even though it’s probably for the better. But hell, maybe Shai will happen? RJ, Grimes, and two unprotected firsts for Shai?

The fact is, low-usage guys like Mozgov, Hickson, and yes, Grimes are pretty replaceable. And even if they don’t ultimately win you a chip, guys like Mitchell, prime Vince Carter, and Dominique Wilkins are not. I’m not sure how you measure the correct cost when trading for them, though.

My read on how the Knicks valued Grimes is they think there’s more to his game than the 3-and-D label implies.

If I understand all the tea leaves correctly there was a deal they were willing to do involving IQ, but wouldn’t substitute IQ for Grimes. It’s hard to imagine they’d value Grimes higher than IQ if they thought Grimes was always going to be a mid-usage, mid-efficiency guy, so they made a rather large bet on his pedigree.

He can vindicate them by making a Bane-type leap usage wise, or by becoming a prime Danny Green level gunner even at lower usage.

Won’t be a great look if neither of those things happen.

SGA is signed with no option on either end for *five seasons*. He’s not on the trade market, likely won’t be for at least two more seasons if it ever happens, and on the off chance he reaches it before that you can consider a Mitchell-like return the floor.

What about if it were set at 2500?

Yeah, seems better. If he misses a few games, say 4 games, it’s 32 mpg. With Obi on the rise, i don’t think Thibs is going to play him less than 15 mpg, so 32-16 seems about right (for Thibs, not me).

SGA is signed with no option on either end for *five seasons*. He’s not on the trade market, likely won’t be for at least two more seasons if it ever happens, and on the off chance he reaches it before that you can consider a Mitchell-like return the floor.

Yeah, they’re building around Shai, and also they don’t need picks. So he won’t go anywhere. But if he was on the market, i’d give more assets for Shai than for Mitchell. Even if then we wouldn’t have assets for another star, and be limited to trade for very good role players. I think he fits way better.

I think there’s a helluva untapped potential in both Grimes and IQ, and they’re two of the biggest stories for me going into this year. Grimes does have the pedigree to take it up a series of notches — I suppose you can argue Cam does, too, but Grimes has shown real grit and grind in terms of remaking himself and then making himself better that Cam has yet to show. And IQ just seems to get better — I do think that last year the point guard thing was tamping him down, and when he finally got comfortable toward the end of the season he was lighting it up.

I’m tremendously happy we’re going into the season with both of them, just hope they get some real playing time.

I feel like I have asked this before, but who is a good player comp for SGA? I have watched almost none of him in the NBA and mainly understand that we should have just drafted him and not his ungainly Kentucky teammate. But, like, what are his biggest strengths? What, if any, notable weaknesses does he have? How would we expect him to age, etc?

Although I had to create another new profile bc my old one stopped working again. And I ran out of emails so I had to use one that inexplicably has a donkey Kong avatar.

The trigger is either changing your nickname or deleting a comment. I just did both those things w my previous account and I ceased being able to post right after.

Under the circumstances, I think it’s only fair that Z-man switch to a Mario avatar.

SGA is a 6’6″ combo guard who is good on both sides of the ball and would be a great fit next to Brunson. His contract doesn’t matter. He just needs to get tired of losing in OKC and demand a trade like everybody else. I would gladly give up a big package for him.

This whole Sarver thing brings two points to light:

1. Sarver is Silver’s boss. Silver is powerless to take his team away without approval from all the other owners. The other owners didn’t want to do that, and Silver has to stand there and take the heat for them. That is what he is paid for. He is their shield.

2. What about the Clippers, you say? Well, that was always a load of bullshit. That was never about the intolerance of racism. They hated Sterling bc he was losing them money running a team poorly in LA. That, and they wanted to open a seat for Ballmer and receive his generous buy in fee. It was a preposterous lie when they pretended they cared he was a racist. Several of them are likely racist and misogynist, too.

The best comp for SGA may be Brandon Roy (in all aspects, I fear).

I feel like I have asked this before, but who is a good player comp for SGA? I have watched almost none of him in the NBA and mainly understand that we should have just drafted him and not his ungainly Kentucky teammate.

sga’s defining talent is an elite ability to change speeds with the ball and on balance. he slinks his long skinny frame around the defense without ever breaking the speed limit. he plays like he has 10 gears and everyone else has 4. best comp i can think of is prime brandon roy.

“Several of them are likely racist and misogynist, too.”

Well given his responses to Anucha Browne Sanders and George Floyd, I’d say our guy might qualify…

Under the circumstances, I think it’s only fair that Z-man switch to a Mario avatar.

I don’t totally get the idea that SGA is a significantly better fit than Mitchell. He’s taller, but they have basically the same wingspan and while SGA doesn’t have anything as bad on his defensive resume as Mitchell’s worst moments he also hasn’t been in the playoff cauldron to the same degree and he’s certainly not a good defender by any means. A SGA-Brunson backcourt is still going to be pretty undersized (particularly with Rj as the 3) and leave you with a relatively weak defender at the point of attack all the time. With both SGA and Mitchell you’d be making a bet that you can coach them up to defend more to their talent level than to how they’ve defended so far in the NBA.

If we switch to the other side of the ball I believe in Mitchell’s 3-point shot significantly more than SGA’s which matters a lot if you’re going to be playing him off the ball more in this kind of hybrid backcourt.

I would say SGA is a slightly better fit defensively (and a slightly better defender overall) and a slightly worse fit offensively (and a slightly worse offensive player overall). Seems like six-of-one half dozen of the other to me.

My read on how the Knicks valued Grimes is they think there’s more to his game than the 3-and-D label implies.

TNFH, nice to see your priorities are in order by posting here a couple of times in the first few hours of your new job in the legal profession!

insightful comparison with SGA and Brandon Roy…well done…

if only I could remember who the heck Brandon Roy was/is 🙂

thanks for the heads up on the comment delete/name change request thing…

yeah, I’m about out of old email addresses to use too…

hopefully the Sarver thing creates an opening for the other suns’ owners to push him the heck out of the league…

if only I could remember who the heck Brandon Roy was/is

Is he the 5th brother on Succession?

I remember really loving Brandon Roy’s game before he got hurt. Just one of those smooth, always in control players who isn’t super fast but just slick and crafty. Too bad he got hurt. He was on his way to being a really good player.

I haven’t watched a lot of SGA. And maybe this is a dumb question. But is he really THAT good?

I know OKC is tanking. But if you have a top 20 or top 15 player on your team, shouldn’t your record be better than OKC’s has been with Shai as their main guy?

Wow the highlight of my KB existence might be saying something ptmilo thinks a second before he did.

The Irving thing is quite bad but in one sense I slightly admire the fact he likely has no idea who Alex Jones is because he (Kyrie) is so off the grid.

The first name that popped into my head as a comp for SGA was Donovan Mitchell. Looking at their career numbers, they are pretty damn close. The big difference is height. I would never start 2 6’1″ guards together.

I haven’t watched a lot of SGA. And maybe this is a dumb question. But is he really THAT good?

I know OKC is tanking. But if you have a top 20 or top 15 player on your team, shouldn’t your record be better than OKC’s has been with Shai as their main guy?

This is the thing I have been wondering from my position of extreme ignorance. Is it that SGA is genuinely a star, or that we have enormous regret over passing him over to take the giraffe on roller skates?

There was a time when Brandon Roy was on track to being a true superstar and to winning multiple championships. He and Oden could have been among the great inside-out combos. With Aldridge too, a Spurs-like dominance could have been theirs. It’s one of the sadder stories of could-have-beens in the nba.

I’m not sure SGA is the right guy for us if we plan to build around Brunson & RJ.

My platonic ideal for this team is a Brunson-Barrett backcourt with everyone else on the team being bigger and stonger than RJ.

Say, for example, we paired them with Jimmy Butler and Pascal Siakim. That kind of big, strong, versatile trio would be a nightmare for opponents.

I’m not saying we should target those guys specifically, but that’s the archetype I’d be looking for. RJ is a good defender but he’s not strong enough to cover for Brunson and a smaller wing.

Our pal Ian Begley with some inside scoop on the ongoing rotation puzzle: https://www.sny.tv/articles/knicks-what-we-know-rotation-decisions-2022-23-season

Most of those questions are unanswered at the moment, but there is an expectation that Immanuel Quickley will get an increased role early on in 2022-23, per people familiar with the matter. Quickley averaged 27.5 minutes per game after the All-Star break. He had several strong outings as a playmaker in that time frame and several solid shooting stretches.

He seems unsure about the rest, but both here and on Macri’s podcast, he sounded convinced that if one of the kids — and he specifically cited Cam — shows up to camp in incredible shape and just ball out, then Thibs will play them more than a veteran who is not playing as well.

Ha, my first day is mostly just logistical/onboarding stuff so I have plenty of time to post between meetings. Next week shit gets very real, very quickl(e)y.

I agree with ‘Stam that the degree to which SGA is obviously a better fit is being overstated. He did technically shoot 42% from 3 once (in the same season Julius Randle did, FWIW…) but it was over 35 games and this past season he was at 30%.

To be clear, I think he’s a great player, I would love to have him, and there are definitely ways in which he’s a better fit than Mitchell too. I just think Mitchell would likely be a better solution to our myriad offensive issues.

Also, again, none of this matters. He is signed for five years. There are no indications OKC wants to trade him outside of them offering him for the #1 overall pick, which we do not have.

Good to hear there seems to be a plan in place to get IQ more minutes. Would like to hear the same thing about Obi soon.

Thx for the link, Alan. From that same article. Grrrrrrrr.

One other note regarding New York: I don’t know if the Knicks are planning to fully pivot toward playing younger players at the expense of winning games. But a couple teams in touch with people from the organization recently say the club isn’t fully focused on that type of pivot at the moment.

he sounded convinced that if one of the kids — and he specifically cited Cam — shows up to camp in incredible shape and just ball out, then Thibs will play them more than a veteran who is not playing as well

After 2 years of Thibs i have to say i’ll believe it when i see it.

We should not pivot towards the young guys at the expense of winning games. Especially Cam. I have no problem with — in fact I fully support — the idea of making these kids force their way into the team.

I think some analyses of the Cam trade are influenced by the fact that we once had a really good pick. But we already incinerated the vast majority of that value. A flier on Cam was actually a good return for the charred Hornets pick. They’re not exactly in great shape after the Miles Bridges situation. There’s a real chance that converts to a 2nd.

And if you’re going to take a flier on Cam, this is the way to do it. The guy showed up thinking he was a superstar. I don’t always agree with the “prove yourself in practice” idea but this is one instance I definitely do. If we had just given this guy minutes ahead of Grimes and Evan he just would have squandered them the same way he squandered his opportunity at Duke and at Atlanta. The guy needs to eat some humble pie and work harder. Right now he’s facing the possibility of not getting a second contract. This is the first time in his life he’s facing extinction. This is all good for the Knicks.

The only vets that could possibly get benched are Fournier and Randle. And it’s only Randle if Cam plays up a position, which I guess I don’t hate.

I don’t know if the Knicks are planning to fully pivot toward playing younger players at the expense of winning games.

The only old players on our team are Rose, Fournier and Randle. And Randle isn’t even really old, he’s just a huge question mark. I don’t really get this idea that we’re going to continue to play vets over youngsters. Our whole team is youngsters. Rose isn’t starting over Brunson. Fournier wont play 40 minutes a game. The only roadblock really is Randle in front of Obi but that’s not really about age. If Randle played last season like he did the year before, everyone would be saying we should trade Obi for something else.

Walkerandbender, you’re not really wrong, but Fournier does take time from both Grimes and IQ (and arguably Cam, as I see our wings as largely interchangeable since they’re mostly all the same size), while Rose also gets in the way of IQ at the point (not to mention my BFF Miles, who may or may not be an actual NBA player).

I mean, Miles would have trouble getting minutes on any team. Let’s be honest. Maybe he can turn into something but his ceiling is solid back up PG. I don’t think Rose playing PG is going to hurt his chances that much. Most likely if Rose gets hurt or rests, IQ is sliding over to back up PG, Fournier or Grimes is playing back up SG and CAM is getting his shot.

Plus IQ and Rose play really well together. So it’s not really hurting IQ’s development if he’s the back up SG and not the back up PG.

So it’s not really hurting IQ’s development if he’s the back up SG and not the back up PG.

I’m fine with that, but if it’s

SF RJ/Fournier (Cam) SG Grimes/IQ PG Brunson/Rose (IQ/Miles)

Then Fournier isn’t getting Z-Man’s 1900 minutes. Or someone else is losing out.

I suppose injuries are an every year thing, but I hate hoping for them.

I’m pretty down on McBride. Hope I’m wrong and he shows us some true 3&D potential in the big leagues.

I am Strat and McBride is Frank and I expect it to go about as well. But I will not back down…

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